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welcome I'm your host Hilary Bricken and
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this is the Cannabis law Now podcast
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where we regularly discuss issues
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related to the Cannabis industry
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including investment day-to-day
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operational issues and potential reform
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on the horizon that will impact all
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cannabis businesses and investors in the
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United States
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welcome everybody on today's episode of
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the Cannabis law Now podcast I am so
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glad to have With Me Andy Butz who is
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the founder and owner of Humbolt trim
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company and he is a very special guest
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because he is a generational Farmer in
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the Emerald Triangle in California famed
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region in the state for cannabis
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production and distribution welcome Andy
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hey Hillary how's it going hey it's
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going good good um and normally when I
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broadcast listeners know I just launch
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right into the questions because this is
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a conversational podcast where we want
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to get down to the nitty-gritty of your
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every day I got to ask many people want
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to know because it's so legendary and
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maybe for those of my listeners who
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maybe don't know what the Emerald
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Triangle is what is it like cultivating
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in that region of California and maybe
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even before you get there what is the
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Emerald Triangle for those who don't
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know yeah absolutely so the Emerald
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Triangle is generally cons considered
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Humbolt mesino and Trinity counties and
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these are rural Northern California Way
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North of San Francisco in the Bay Area
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along the coast we have incredible
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incredible Natural Beauty with the ocean
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and the mountains and the rivers and the
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Redwoods and some of the cleanest air in
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the world and also some of the most
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rural regions in all of the United
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States so it's a perfect recipe for what
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started in the 7s as the back to the
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land movement and kind of that hippie
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culture and hippie values and people
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started growing marijuana back then is
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what it was called but now it's called
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cannabis so people started growing weed
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out in the Hills started breeding and
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crossing and the genetic diversity just
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kept building and building and building
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which is the root for a lot of the
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strains that the industry uses now was
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all developed up here in the Emerald
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Triangle since about the early 70s till
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present day it's very cool I feel
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fortunate to represent now it's been
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winnowed down but probably a half dozen
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Legacy Farmers up there and that type of
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farming in that region is just so unique
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whenever I think about it I always think
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of sungrown harvested cannabis truly the
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closest you can probably get to organic
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since we don't have that standard with
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the USA or even on on label pesticides
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with the EPA I I just always Envision
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the Emerald Triangle as the most natural
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natural place for cannabis cultivation
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kind of the cradle of civilization in
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California for the source of some of its
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most famous cannabis would you agree
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absolutely I mean it's for what we'll
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call Modern cannabis because of course
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this plant has been around for tens of
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thousands or millions of years and it's
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been used by human beings for so many
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things for as long as people have been
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around but in this modern cannabis World
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Humble County is like Ground Zero myself
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I started in
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1997 that's when I came to this area and
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I started growing in these gorilla
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Gardens way out in the Hills we were
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hiding from helicopters like duly blade
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helicopters with guys with M16s hanging
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out the door circling very slow and very
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low over your homestead just looking for
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a marijuana plant you know and we
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survived the largest US military action
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on its own citizens to this day
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sometimes it was referred to as the
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hippie Lottery you know and some people
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would win and some people would lose and
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it's kind of an interesting thing I
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always thought humorous it's like uh
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that statement that everyone probably
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grew up with like money doesn't grow on
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trees that you would tell your kids well
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around hanbul County that was kind of we
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didn't use that one too much yeah I have
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no doubt that the federal government has
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a very special relationship with the
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Emerald Triangle and and what I want to
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talk about a little bit today as we go
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through this because I haven't had a
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generational Farmer on and frankly
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there's not many left you're not going
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to find one in New York you're not going
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to find one in Illinois like you will in
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Northern California Southern Oregon how
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has it been for Humbolt trim company
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navigating legalization in California
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since 2018 and I know for some of my
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other clients and just anecdotally can
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be really tough to get generational
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Farmers into this highly Reg ated fold
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let alone the program that California
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put out there so how has it been for you
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and your company in navigating yeah it's
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you know I think that was around the
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time that you and I first spoke and and
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I remember you said Andy look it's going
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to be a race to the bottom depending on
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how these regulations take shape it's
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going to determine how soon or how late
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that's going to happen but it's
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definitely going to happen and that made
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me realize like well I probably need to
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look in like really start following this
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closely and really paying attention and
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I'm going to need more licenses in the
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supply chain so that's when I started
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humble trim company and it's been five
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years in the making I mean most of us
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came to this area for not to be the CEO
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of a business you know we came here to
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like just be out in nature and enjoy a
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simpler lifetime you know kind of drop
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out and tune in Back to the land I came
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here to be an organic farmer I was
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interested in organic farming so you
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know we're not mbas we're not lawyers
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we're not doctors but we've had to take
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this crash course my wife and I we
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always say we're we graduated from
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YouTube University you know like because
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you can just learn so much out there on
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YouTube about anything really business
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included so like many of us we made huge
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mistakes and structuring our companies
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and Partnerships and all those things
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and it's kind of all settled now we
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currently humble trim company well I
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have a farm I've always had a farm
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that's organist to 10,000 square foot
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outdoor cultivation and then in the town
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of Eureka we have our processing we do
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processing so that's like a service for
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trimming and packaging and making
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pre-rolls also we have a micro business
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which is distribution
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manufacturing and we're very very close
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to finally getting our retail built out
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and opened up and you know we're a
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shooring budget we're a mom and pop it's
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a husband and wife team we check like
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every Equity box there is but you know
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that doesn't really help us and did you
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guys did humble Tri company or you and
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your wife did you operate under
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proposition 25 the law that essentially
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predates prop 64 it's the medical only
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law in California and if you did how is
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that different than what you're doing
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today with prop 64 we hadn't really
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Incorporated a company what we had was a
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mutual benefit nonprofit and you know
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proposition 215 I mean it was either the
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greatest law or the worst law ever
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written you know it pretty much we all
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became pharmaceutical companies and we
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were protected with doct patient
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privilege and the benefits of Decades of
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lobbying and the state really had its
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hands tied with that one you couldn't
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get a jury to convict anyone for growing
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cannabis all of a sudden and so it took
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quite a bit for like law enforcement and
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just towns and cities and counties to
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like wrap their head around this law
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that just became law without anybody
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really understanding how to interpret it
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so we definitely did and and that was
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great and the medical push it really it
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was the first cannabis legalization in
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the United States so it really paved the
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way in a lot of ways and it had such
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little language it was just awesome
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really the good old
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days and on the back of that what do you
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think give me like your top two the
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things that California Has Done Right
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with
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legalization that's a tough one I mean
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it's hard to really pinpoint anything
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that's been successful so like they came
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out with great ideas you know like
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appellations and Organic certification I
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think the pesticide testing and the
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strong rules around Public Safety or or
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something California can hang it Hat on
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at the end of the day and feel good
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about I feel proud to be able to pass
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California standard and put out like a
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really clean product and it really
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exposed a lot of what was going on in
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the industry before testing you know
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like people we just didn't really know
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and we still don't know what the health
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effects are of of smoking all these
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pesticides and other side yeah so
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there's that and you know just bringing
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more normalization to cannabis in the
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society at large now you know it just
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really shifted you know like full
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legalization and recreational
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legalization has really shifted the
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Paradigm of of our whole country now
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athletes it's more normalized you know
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celebrities you know Grandma is like a
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little bit open to smoking a little weed
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for her pain or rubbing some ointment on
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her knees for her arthritis you know
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these kinds of things which they might
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have never ever done like my mom like
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sent me a picture she was in a pot shop
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somewhere like on the East Coast you
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know like I mean I thought that day
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would never come you
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know she was kind of like I mean if I
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could say my top two things would
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probably be they got delivery right
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because there are still states that
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don't allow that and that's just great
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access for people to have to make the
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experiment work and then consumption
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lounges I think would be on my list too
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there are still states that don't allow
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that and talk about normalizing things
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and in that vein and well I'll just keep
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it to two because this list is probably
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much longer what do you think California
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has gotten wrong with legalization of
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all the problems in all of cannabis
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pretty much Nationwide I feel this is my
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own personal belief all arrows point to
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allowing unlimited C cultivation in
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California and issuing you know you can
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get one medium license which clearly
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says they understood the the intent of
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proposition 64 but you can get 500 or a
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thousand small licenses and and that
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just made such massive over Supply that
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we're still feeling the effects of today
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it's like there's so much weed being
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grown legally and only a small fraction
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of that makes it into a package and
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makes it into a consumer's hands that
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they purchase through a legal shop and
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if we can't address that it's like
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everything else is kind of a side effect
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to that in my opinion I think it's an
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Open Secret that California has an
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oversaturation issue with lack of
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enforcement and that a lot of that
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product is being diverted over state
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lines and who knows where else for
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people to make ends meet because it's so
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expensive as you know to undertake these
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particular Enterprises what about
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Humbolt County because California is a
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heavy local control State just like with
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Licor and Spirits when it comes to
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cannabis that was part of prop 64 do you
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think Humbolt County did a good job
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regulating you guys I mean Humble County
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originally came out with this great
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pathway for basically rural cultivators
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to make a legal business where you know
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they changed the general plan you know
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they allowed you to develop a commercial
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business to have a to convert from your
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like proposition 215 grow site or grow
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sites in that case there was about
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15,000 documented grow sites and then
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that had been Consolidated down into
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1,800 permits and now we have about 600
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licensed farms in Humble County and
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they're environmentally speaking they're
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incredible they're really the most
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environmentally Superior Farms that are
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happening anywhere not only just in
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California but anywhere there's not
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another industry that's subjected to the
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same pesticide rules and testing that we
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are the same kind of water quality
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things we have to catch and store all of
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our water by the rain this is not on a
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municip Al it it's not been touched with
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bleach it's like right off the ocean
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hits our mountains and we're catching
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that living water and that's what's
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going into our plants we all grow in
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soil yeah they're not doing in La that's
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for sure and are you as a farmer you're
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clearly invested you have survived this
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long which is saying a ton Andy because
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many people have failed flamed out lost
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everything but you're still going are
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you keeping your eye on any spefic
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specific State legislation right now
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that you think could improve
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California's cannabis industry make it
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stronger maybe winnow down some of this
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over Supply I mean the one they won't
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touch over Supply they just even though
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it said they would only make the large
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license type if there was a need for it
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like oh we need more cannabis right
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let's make the large license type
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instead they made the large license type
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with I mean with the most bolstering
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black market that's ever EX existed
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right alongside their legal market and
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so it's like people just don't go into
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shops to buy the same weed for twice as
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much really and why should they you know
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and again it comes down to enforcement
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there's no enforcement I just look
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around California it's a dumpster fire
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out there the other thing that we that
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just now has come on is like hemp in
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thca which is like an unregulated
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industry that we're now to compete
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against and it's just it just keeps
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getting more complicated and trickier
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but you know what I'm finding is that
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the people that like myself and my wife
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and and a lot of the small farmers that
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have been here a long time we don't have
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huge overhead you know we show up every
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day we do the work we're not collecting
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this huge salary and you know like we're
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we're just grinding and grinding and
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grinding slowly slowly building slowly
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surviving diving you know and I think
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that we all light at the end of the
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tunnel and you I don't want to say
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holding on out for that like you have to
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have an incredible passion for this
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plant that's beyond just dollars and and
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I think that's why it's so slow to roll
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out like there's something about the
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spirituality nature of this plant and
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human beings it just does not want to be
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controlled by a few people it really
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wants to be spread out in bring peace to
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the world you know and it doesn't want
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to be like so corporatized and dominated
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and and manipulated even though those
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forces are very very present very strong
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there's still this
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underground world of it you know yeah I
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believe it I know it um and it all goes
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into the identity of this industry I
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don't think you can have one the
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corporatized interest without the other
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meaning the two can coexist in some
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ecosphere even as this shakes out and
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towards that end do you consider humble
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trim company to be a craft cannabis
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cultivator we throw around craft a lot a
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lot of people know what that means in
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the liquor context but do you consider
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your company to be a craft cultivator I
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mean that's a great it's another term
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that people use that we haven't really
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defined like what is meant by Craft I I
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do I consider myself as a 10,000 square
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fet or less outdoor light depth you know
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the owner ERS touch the plant you know
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we you know we're not using illegal
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labor you know we really are out there
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on our farms at our homesteads working
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with the plant taking really really good
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stewards of the land and care about you
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know all those things that that what I
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feel would be part of the definition of
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what craft would be but yeah I think
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that craft
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artisinal small Family Farms these words
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all go in hand and I think they're in
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high demand
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but it's just like that education to the
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consumer you know we used to have this
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thing like know your grower you know and
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it's really there's so much disconnect
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between the farmer and the consumer like
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you have to go through distribution and
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then through retail and all these steps
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and all these processes and so you had
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asked about like a bill like currently
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there's AB 1111 it's easy to remember
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and that would allow um Farmers to be
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able to sell direct to consumers only at
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events only where there's event licenses
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which is a step in the right direction
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you know so so maybe that it looks like
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it's got some legs and and some support
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definitely the state and the DCC is
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sympathizing with small farmers and all
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the conversations I've had with
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Regulators they're just as frustrated as
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everyone else like just trying to
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navigate this you know doesn't really
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make us feel great but you know they do
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Express those frustration
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I think about all of the amazing wine
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regions in California right from the
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Central Coast to napaa you can go to the
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vineyard you can see the grapes you can
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touch the grapes you can talk to the
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ventner it's all done right there and of
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course they can have directed consumer
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sales it's all part of the experience in
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building the brand but also maintaining
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product Integrity I think it's not a
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pipe dream but it seems so hard to get
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there for cannabis because of the
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politics in play do you think that there
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is a future for craft cannabis because
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I'm with you I don't always think that
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craft cannabis means I have to have this
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really unique strain that isn't
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homogenous with more corporatized type
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strains that just come off of a canimar
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belt I don't even know if you can really
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have that in cannabis I do think it's
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more about a farmer intimately involved
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with their product similar to farm to
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table where you know exactly what you're
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getting all of the sources the people
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behind it the care that's being taken
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and of course cultivation techniques but
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do you see a future for craft cannabis
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in California and Beyond we have such a
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strong wine culture in California
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absolutely and I think it's what people
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really want from Cannabis you know like
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a lot of us we were drawn towards this
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because it was an alternative a lot of
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people recognize it as an alternative
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medicine an alternative high you know
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for therapy for Spiritual purposes
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there's so many reasons and when you put
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those values together with like
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corporate scale cannabis you know it
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they just don't always meet and and I
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think just in general like our our
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culture in America we're really hungry
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for something real you know like
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something that's like can tell a story
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we're just a little tired of the I don't
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know the pop culture of of
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consumerism and when it comes to
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cannabis it's like my hope for our
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region is that these values of
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regenerative and sustainable agriculture
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organic farming environmental
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stewardship craft and small batch
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sungrown artisanal unique varietals you
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know the humbled and Emerald Triangle
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brand recognition that's like really
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what we're we're working towards that's
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what we believe in you know and the
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concern for sun Growers when we talk
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about that in things like Nationwide
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distribution or Farm to you know direct
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to Consumer is that you know we just
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don't know what that language will look
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like I mean they could cut us all out
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with just requiring GMP facilities like
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boom no one's ever going to be able to
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afford that and you're all out you're
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all sidelined everyone that's in this
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industry today is sidelined for that one
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sentence maybe in a federal cannabis
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policy you know the fact is is we don't
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need much as Su Growers from the
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ancillary cannabis industry we don't buy
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lights we don't buy you know all of
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those things hvacs and you know and all
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of those things that go with like indoor
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cultivation and mixed light cultivation
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greenhouse and you know like we're we've
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seen it in other states where uh Sun
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grown just isn't even on the table it's
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kind of a rule making thing where they
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talk about mold and yeast counts in the
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testing that pretty much makes all Sun
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grown Greenhouse cannabis it's so almost
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nearly impossible you probably had to
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deal with that in Washington early on
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eventually they just kicked it out
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they're like this is you know doesn't
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make any sense it's not making anyone
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sick and it's not really a problem but
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we're seeing how the industry you know
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it's in their financial interest to have
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like a policy like that in a state that
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pretty much makes everything indoor and
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dependent on that industry so those are
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the concerns we have as we see like what
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would a National policy look like what
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would that I mean ideally there's like
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some anyone who grows less than an acre
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can sell direct to a consumer through
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the mail anywhere where it's allowed in
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the world just like wine or something
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like that you know that would be like my
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hope and dream I mean I would we would
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have a good life that way you know is a
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fascinating policy discussion that you
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don't hear about a lot when Washington
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first went it was unheard of that people
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would grow outdoors in the sun despite
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being east of the Cascades which is
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pretty good wine country right it's
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wamit Valley Columbia River Gorge
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there's a whole farming Community there
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I mean obviously viously including for
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wine apples cherries and it blew
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people's minds that outdoor sunr was
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going to be an option because until then
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like California everything was done
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indoors out of sight it was so
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stigmatized and now instead of being a
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stigma it seems more political
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misunderstood a smaller voice in the
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room when we have this huge wine
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industry you know built on these outdoor
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experiences with farmers and venters
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it's pretty ironic and I I certainly
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hope that there's a conversation where
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sunr is in the room it should be on all
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of these things moving forward it's such
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a big part of farming culture anyway and
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do you think I mean in again in that
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vein one of the things I think
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California did right and it knows
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intimately is its Appalachian program
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for cannabis I think it's hugely
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important to bolster those Brands um
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especially in our very legitimate
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farming communities outdoor sunr are you
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participating in that do you plan to
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participate in that program you know we
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all were really excited about that at
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first we like wow you know like because
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because we Napa is just a few counties
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away we have wine here in humbled as
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well and all around us you know and
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there's small Vineyards and they're all
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still here they're not collapsing and
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folding and going out of business and so
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we've always said that like humble is
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the Nappa of weed there's two things
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with the appalachi like one is that
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there's also in the rules like County
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name there's pretty strip ping like you
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can't if to use the name County in a
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cannabis product it has to be grown here
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it has to be trimmed here it has to be
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manufactured here packaged here and then
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from there it can go out into the market
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to break that down further into
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appalachi and say like oh well Salmon
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Creek or the Mato Valley these you know
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what has a unique Tera and distance from
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the ocean and elevation and all these
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things we've been doing like all the
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groundwork over the last few years in
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these regions
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but we just are not seeing a value ad
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for any of it I mean there's only I want
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to say three maybe four Brands left that
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even bear the name humble on their
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packaging is it because consumers don't
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don't care or is that is that it it's
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it's undermining marketing it just
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doesn't matter why do you think that is
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I mean believe me everyone tried but you
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have to get paid
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and and retailers have
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stolen millions and millions and
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millions of dollars from cultivators and
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they continue to do to till today I mean
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just look at the numbers how many
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hundreds of millions of dollars are owed
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to the state in taxes before they
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changed it just to the retail section it
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was like 250 million all of that was
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cultivation tax that came from The
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Growers now the retailers are in a big
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mess because they're the ones that have
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to pay the tax not the distributor
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anymore so they're coming knocking on
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the door with C breaking inms breaking
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safes cleaning out registers collecting
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their tax it's pretty scary so you know
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these retailers are also struggling so
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the last person to get paid is the small
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farmer way up there in Humble you know
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doesn't have the bandwidth or the
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resources to make a delivery in La of a
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half a pound or something you know it it
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and so those are some of the big
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problems it's just there's there's no
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money in it hry I see because retail
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is fighting to survive they're not
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exactly concerned about having an
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appalation based label or paying for it
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paying the premium okay and then Andy
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last question for you it's on
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everybody's Minds everybody's watching
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it no one knows what the heck's going to
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happen What would a schedule three on
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00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:23,799
the Controlled Substances Act a move
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from 1 to 3 by DEA mean for humbal trim
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company does that Prospect excite you
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does it worry you I'm just kind of like
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you know what are we going to take one
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baby step towards maybe competing
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against him you know like where are we
649
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going with this like why why are we
650
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still holding it back it makes no sense
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to me more than half the states have
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some legalization the others want it
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it's like I feel like the our
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representatives in Congress has failed
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you know the citizens in terms of
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cannabis and you know and there's real
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forces against it you know we have we're
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competing against Pharmaceuticals we're
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competing against alcohol
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you know all these things those are very
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very strong groups of course it really
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depends on how that language is
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developed how it's interpreted how it's
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enforced how it gets challenged legally
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I mean I'd love to have some banking
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normaly in banking not having to pay the
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banking cannabis
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fee and maybe get some financing that's
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not at predatory rates taking out the
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280e maybe refunding the 280e come on
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you know those would be yeah refund that
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280e give us a chance man you're just
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and that's I mean that's just evil the
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280e holding people back like that is
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just like really really I mean this this
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industry if anybody's listening to this
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00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,840
that's not in the Cannabis industry you
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00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,720
don't want anything to do with it it's a
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00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,840
really really hard maybe someday it'll
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be better but only through fighting and
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grinding like really really earning it
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but you know us we love it you know we
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love this plant like me I believe I
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don't even smoke I don't even smoke weed
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I don't use it at all but I believe in
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it I believe that it wants to bring
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peace to the world you know like it's
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00:28:10,679 --> 00:28:16,919
just hard to be so upset in when you can
689
00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:19,600
just chill with your Bros and smoke a
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00:28:16,919 --> 00:28:22,880
joint and pick it back it's a medicine
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00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:25,159
it's such a powerful medicine it can you
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00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,760
know like the compassionate use of
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00:28:25,159 --> 00:28:29,760
cannabis should never be underestimated
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00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,880
you know we don't need opiates we don't
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00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,919
need all of those things you know you
696
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,200
can reduce your pain you can die
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00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:37,919
gracefully you can you know heal
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00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,919
yourself you can grow it yourself it
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00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:42,919
doesn't cost you anything really you
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know to grow it in your backyard make
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00:28:42,919 --> 00:28:46,799
your own tincture make your own Sal
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00:28:45,159 --> 00:28:48,880
there's a real connection when you grow
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00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:51,399
your own herb and you use it whether
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00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,480
it's cannabis whether it's Rosemary
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00:28:51,399 --> 00:28:55,840
whether it's time any of these things
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00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,159
like grow something grow a plant have a
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connection with it you know like get
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outside get your hands in the dirt you
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00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:06,120
know like it's so real and it's so
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00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:08,120
needed and and we're so deprived of this
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connection with Mother Earth and this
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nature and these circles and rhythms of
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00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:14,159
what life and so that's kind of our
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00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,799
mission is to bring these values to the
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world show people like yeah you know
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00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:23,679
this this plant is it it should be free
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00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,440
it should be free and the the the whole
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00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:28,559
history of of making it illegal and the
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00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:31,039
devil's weed and all of that
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00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:32,399
there just a wrong step in the world and
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00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:33,960
and who's the government I thought we
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00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:36,679
were free who's the government to say
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00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:40,200
what you can and cannot grow or use or
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or try or experiment with or share you
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00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:47,279
know so those that's why we do it well
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00:29:43,399 --> 00:29:50,679
wise words from my generational farmer
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guest Andy buts of humbal trim company I
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00:29:50,679 --> 00:29:54,840
really appreciate you coming on Andy
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00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,399
it's a very good and different
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00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,399
perspective that you brought to this
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episode thank you for that you bet
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Hillary anytime
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thanks and that concludes today's
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episode of the Cannabis law Now podcast
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until next time stay alert stay alive
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